Bullies have won the Internet, let them win. You cannot argue with them. If you ask them to find 10 products in their every day live where blind test is used they will actually go out and buy that 10 just so they can prove you wrong. The less faithful will simply make things up.
The blind testing brigade on the Internet is a cancer and eventually will reduce high end audio into nothingness. The arguments will never cease because the goal posts are never fixed. High end industry cannot survive in a world where the average is championed as greater while the exceptional are being re-framed as as below par. Kids will grow up and never be to appreciate music the way we can now. There is no stopping this tide, there is no point stopping it. Just sit back, relax and enjoy music until the end of our days.
If you’re set on doing blind testing for your own setup, go right ahead. Just do not insist on others to follow the same protocol you claimed you have.
Update [2016-01-16]: Here’s an article of letters from Stereophile: Blind Listening Letters.
Comment from: A fellow audiophile Visitor
OK, I appreciate the effort you put into this argument but you are wrong. If someone claims, for instance, that one OS sounds better than another OS, then in a proper ABX listening test - where they are given the exact surroundings and all the time they need - I expect them to pick out the OS they said sounds better every time. Otherwise, don’t make the claim.
There are too many non-audio factors at play here to simply take these claims at face value:
- it costs more therefore it must be better
- it’s newer technology therefore it must be better
- I own it therefore it must be better
- I invented it therefore it must be better.
I don’t buy the argument that if others can’t hear the difference it must be because their equipment, hearing, or appreciation are not up to snuff. If you make the claim you should be willing and able to prove it if challenged.
Comment from: Member
I don’t buy the argument that if others can’t hear the difference it must be because their equipment, hearing, or appreciation are not up to snuff. If you make the claim you should be willing and able to prove it if challenged.Proponents of blind testing should focus more time and attention to show the world how this discipline is applied in everyday hifi decision making, not just for winning arguments.
In the case of OS, the challenge is already issued. Try out Snakeoil OS and see for yourself if it’s better than what you have right now.
The thing is I cannot <em>talk</em> you or anybody into anything. e.g. my version of "better" is only for me and for me alone. My "better" cannot be forced upon you, all I can do is show to you what my version of "better" is. Whether you accept that is up to you, your comments and opinions is only personal to you. With Snakeoil OS I do encourage people to stray beyond the default settings and explore what their own "better" is. This is why Snakeoil OS is so openly configurable, and not locked down like almost everything out there.
Another reason why I even call this Snakeoil OS - the word itself automatically sets a audiophile up on a bias, trigger a flight or fight response. If you are willing to download the OS, willing to install the OS to test it out, willing to sit down for a minute and listen to the music. Those acts alone will set you apart from most audiophiles I know of. That’s the kind of fight response I’m looking for.
Arguing for blind testing typically on the forums is actually a flight response in my books, only meant to degrade the discussion into "winning" and "losing" and nothing more.